LPAC Policy Committee - August 24, 2015

August 24, 2015

LPAC Policy Committee - August 24, 2015

It's our weekly Monday show with Lyndon LaRouche. Join us today at 1pm Eastern.

Transcript-DIANE SARE:  Good afternoon and welcome to the LaRouche PAC Policy Committee weekly discussion.  Today is Monday, August 24th and I am Diane Sare, filling in for Matt Ogden, who I am hopeful will be back with us soon.  And I am joined on Google Hangouts by Dave Christie in Seattle; by Kesha Rogers in Houston; Michael Steger in San Francisco; Rachel Brinkley in Boston, Massachusetts; and here in the studio we have Ben Deniston from the LaRouche PAC Science Team, Bill Roberts with us from Detroit, Michigan (via Manhattan), and Lyndon LaRouche who has something important to tell us.

LYNDON LAROUCHE:  What happened this weekend was the biggest international financial crisis in modern history.  The dimensions which I've indicated by those remarks will become clearer, very rapidly during the course of the day, and the following day.  My concern here is to identify what the problem is on the first case, and secondly what the solution to the problem may be in the second case.

What happened essentially was, we were aware of this.  I was acutely aware of this, during this past Saturday, and knew that this great crisis, this collapse, which is a Trans-Atlantic collapse primarily, was coming on.  And so we had our meetings, which is at various locations inside the United States; and we discussed these things and we assigned Jeff Steinberg to take responsibility for reporting the facts which I had presented. And that was done.

Now what happened, of course, is over the weekend, today, Monday, the fact that this collapse had occurred, became manifest.  This is not unusual.  When something is breaking down on Sunday, and the newspapers aren't functioning to deal with that problem, then they have to do it on Monday.  And that's what happened.

But this is the biggest crash in the trans-Atlantic community in all modern history.  This is what's happened.  And therefore, what we have to define is, what is the nature of the crisis; and what is the solution for the crisis? In other words, you just can't interpret things, because we already knew it was happening.  In our discussion on Friday and Saturday, it was apparent to me that this was about to happen.  So we made that the subject of our telephonic discussion — and it's now there. But it is actually the greatest financial crisis in modern history.

Now the first thing you've looked at, you say: "Well, is this like the Wall Street collapse — 1933 and so forth?"  Well, somewhat, but that was a little one.  This is the big one.  And the problem is, we have to state what the case is; I have to state the case in particular, in order to get the right solution. The danger now is the wrong solution, which is what most people will tend to do.

They try to say, "Well this will solve the problem."  "Well we have to do this in order to avoid the problem."  "We have to do this for that reason."  "Well maybe there's hope."  Another one of those things that goes past.  There is no hope, not in the ordinary sense.

What's happened is that what we call Wall Street in the United States, in particular, is the model case of the collapse which has just occurred.  Now that means that the Wall Street institutions are about to be cancelled, blown out, because they have no basis to sustain them.  In other words, they don't do anything.  Wall Street does not do anything in its practice, which is beneficial to human beings.  It only benefits non-human beings, like Wall Street creatures.  And they are about to get washed out.

Now therefore, what we have to do primarily, is pull together an international discussion in which we don't just do an emergency.  This is something much bigger than what Franklin Roosevelt dealt with, when he went into the Presidency.  This is much, much bigger.  Because the degree of destruction, the relative degree of destruction, to the American population, to the American system, is far, far greater than anything that we have ever known in U.S. experience before.

So essentially what we have to do, we have to take Wall Street itself — that is, that system, the Wall Street system — and fold it, shut it down.  And we have to introduce new programs which provides a credit system for getting people back to work, getting people who haven't had jobs, work; people who don't have medical treatment. who need these things.  This must happen. And we must simply accept; and don't weep, don't weep over the disasters that they are suffering, that the Wall Street crowd is now expressing, howling about.  They have nothing coming to them, but pain, essentially.

And therefore, what we have to do quickly is, change the laws.  Now one model for this, a good approximation for what we have to do, in the United States, in particular, but also, for the trans-Atlantic community, in general; what we have to do is, immediately, create a system of investments which will actually have the effect of providing actual physical progress in the condition of life, of the citizens of the United States, and comparable treatment for people in Europe.  This is where the immediate crisis is located.

China has absorbed a crisis, which is a by-product of this thing, that hit Wall Street and London.  But that's not as crucial.  China is in a better situation.  Russia is in a better situation, than any other part of Europe.  Now Russia has got a tough situation, and we understand that.  But Russia is in a better situation morally, and economically, than Europe in general, and certainly the United States in general.

Well, the United States has a lot of power, in terms of thermonuclear power, but that isn't going to do you much good; to get thermonuclear power thrust down your throat is not a good medicine.

So therefore, what we have to do, we have to shut down Wall Street, shut it down!  A mercy killing if you please.  Shut it down.  Then we have to go to a President Roosevelt turn, but on a much larger scale, than Franklin Roosevelt had to do it.  What we have to do is actually organize productive employment.  Now the problem is, in the United States we have very few people in the United States who are qualified for productive employment.  We have a lot of people who are half-slave and half-man, children who are almost not human, under the influence of these present kinds of conditions.  These things have to be corrected.

But the main thing we have to do is actually create, for the United States in particular, we have to restore confidence in the American people by giving them reason to believe that they can have confidence; And that means that we're going to have to do on a grand scale, what the same intention that Franklin Roosevelt had in his time, but this one is a much bigger one.  It's global.

And this is the danger of war, thermonuclear war, coming from Obama, for example.  Obama has put the United States itself on the edge of thermonuclear war, which means that most of the people in the United States are going to be extinguished, burned up, quick, one blow-up.

So therefore, what we have to do is re-organize the economy on the basis on what the principles of what our great President had done.  And that's the chance.  Without that, there is no real solution.  But, there's no way you can compromise.  There is no way you can not write off these funds, which are now bankrupt funds;  you have to eliminate them, cancel them.  And you have to immediately act to launch programs which will replace these kinds of things,  replace them by actual productive development.  It's possible and we have to do it.

It's necessary specifically in the United States, in the trans-Atlantic community, especially in the Northern parts of the trans-Atlantic community, and so forth.  That means the biggest operation mankind has ever undertaken; because we have to move quickly.  Especially in the trans-Atlantic community, we have to move quickly to prevent a catastrophe.

And that's where we are.  Now I have a lot more to say on this thing, but I think my having said this much opens up the discussion for a broader examination of what's at stake here.

SARE:  Well I think this really requires leadership, because that's the question of where do the American people find their confidence and inspiration.  And I was very struck — a couple of years ago I was reading an account of Frances Perkins who was at the [March 4, 1933] Inaugural Address of Franklin Roosevelt, who, first of all, told the American people, "Yes, we are in a crisis."  And because prior to that, Hoover had said, "Oh, no.  A chicken in every pot.  Don't worry, it's not that bad."  And the fact that you had someone denying the incredible hardship being faced by people, worsened their anxiety and their alarm.  So when Franklin Roosevelt spoke and of course, the famous, "We have nothing to fear but fear itself."  But his intent to act, and she said she looked out on the crowd and everyone was crying; that it was just such an extraordinary relief that you had a leader, who was willing to tell the truth to the American people and to take personal responsibility, for the direction of the nation.

LAROUCHE:  Yeah.  Well, these methods are all — what we can do is, you know, so apparent to me, that it's hard for me to speak, because it's so apparent to me.  But where I recognize that most of the people out there, do not know what I know;  and therefore they are not well prepared for this.

But the point is, the crisis has now struck. It's struck over the weekend.  It's struck in terms of the United States. It's struck in terms of Europe, in general.  How far it will radiate in other parts of the planet, we're not sure yet.  But it means we probably have to throw the current President out of office, because there's no way that this kind of thing can be executed, force the reform that's needed, as long as he's in there.

SARE:  Right.  And that would definitely restore confidence.

LAROUCHE:  Absolutely, immediately.  Because what this man is, he's a terrorist.  Look, how many people has he personally ordered to be killed, without due process?  To what extent has this gone on?  How many people has he picked out of the cloud, and destroyed, physically, by his order?  So this man is unfit to be President of the United States, and always was, in point of fact!

So therefore the question is again, what we can give people that is needed to solve these problems.  We have to get rid of this guy;  he has to be thrown out of office.  He's guilty under the 25th Amendment.  He must be thrown out of office right now.

That's the first thing that has to be done.  Because if he's still President, acting President, under these conditions, what will be the conditions of life of the American people and the people in Europe?  It's not possible.  So he has to be thrown out of office, number one.  How?  25th Amendment.  That's the rule.

Now on the basis of introducing the 25th Amendment, then we can move him out; then we can get in policies which can be used, to create a mobilization for employment and welfare in the United States, and for collaboration with people in Europe and elsewhere on a similar basis.  And we'll get rid of this little thermonuclear war that Obama's trying to shift down on us.

David CHRISTIE:  Yeah, and I think the key on your emphasizing the 25th Amendment now, obviously, Congress is still out of session for a number of weeks; not that I'm confident that they would be able to respond to this crisis.  They've generally responded to these types of crises with bail-outs and so forth, but I think we should, with the idea of pushing to get Obama out does open up the capability for Glass-Steagall and so on.  But I think the other side of this is the urgency to do it now, on the 25th Amendment, is of course that this financial crash is the trigger for the war.

And it's precisely because of what Russia, China, obviously India, and the others of the BRICS nations, represent as a real alternative from a physical-economic productive standpoint. Because I think a lot of people are trying to pin the blame on China.  "Oh, this is the devaluation of the yuan, and the collapse of the Chinese stock market, this is what the causality is";  but as you've emphasized, Lyn, China is doing the right thing!  And I think that's the point, that's why their system is viable, whereas this trans-Atlantic system is hopelessly bankrupt, because there's nothing of a productive nature underneath it.

And so I think the reason for the war danger is precisely because of that, because Wall Street and London and the British Monarchy do not want to give up their power, which is based on fictitious financial wealth to this BRICS process; and that is the reason for the war and the reason to get Obama out immediately.

LAROUCHE:  Yeah, but the problem is, that Obama and what he represents has no solution for treating this crisis.  None! He's a nonentity in this matter.  Because what you're talking about, we're talking about fake values, fake physical values.

Why are the American people starving, as most of them are? Has the money been taken away from them?  No!  They didn't get the means of living!  We took most of our children, you know, young people and teenagers, we destroyed them!  Morally and intellectually!  How're you going to deal with that problem?

Therefore, you have to change the system!  And to put back the system which was the original American system, or the system of Franklin Roosevelt.  Yes!  That's the standard.  But the problem that's represented now, is way beyond anything, that Franklin Roosevelt faced in his career.  And this means that we have to operate with a global consciousness.

Now, there are parts of the planet, which are less hit, by this crisis than the trans-Atlantic region, the immediate trans-Atlantic region, around the Mediterranean Sea, and the United States; this is the real course.  Mexico, really is brutalized by this, and things like that.

But the issue is, we have to change the policy of law, of the United States in particular.  We have to do so, by putting Obama out of position, through the 25th Amendment, and we have to now take actions which are scientific ones.  Now, what're you dealing with?  You're dealing with a disease called a "Green policy"!  and if you're operating on a Green policy, humanity in the United States has nothing to gain.

 Furthermore, the people who push the Green policy, are actually at the same time, saying openly that their intention is, to reduce the population of the people of the United States! The Governor of California, for example, is one of the people who've explicitly said this.  And said it repeatedly; and he's not the only one.  Most of these people are on this idea of population reduction, on a global scale; when the fact of the matter, that when human beings are given the means of being productive, they increase the wealth, they increase the wealth of all people.  They create an improvement, in the possibility of mankind's conquering, things that threaten us from nearby space.

So this thing is, we have to eliminate the Wall Street system and similar systems.  That's what we have to do, and we have to get rid, of forms of government which are organized, to the purpose of Wall Street-like purposes.  And that can be done. It can be done, and must be done.

BILL ROBERTS:  When FDR gave his first inaugural speech, he emphasized the capacity exists to do what we need to do; it's not for want of capacity.  But there's a misappropriation of everything.  That's the Wall Street problem.  But I think what you're bringing up, in terms of the much worse crisis that we're facing, the Green problem, the disastrous state of the thinking capability within our population; this is where the international approach is required much more than what Franklin Roosevelt had to face.  And as you were saying last night, the question becomes the emphasis, the orientation in terms of the thinking, of the American population toward this question of the common aims of mankind.  And on that basis, you address this crisis of the festering of these deeper problems that we have to deal with, if we're going to survive.

LAROUCHE:  Yeah.  We have measures which I am active on, right now.  There are measures which can be put into place, feasible measures, which can actually give us the means, for dealing with this crisis.  We can do it.  But the problem is, we have so many people of influence, unsuitably influence, and they run the system.  They control the system, and what they do is, they are creating the crisis, which we are now experiencing. They created the system; and the people who turned against Franklin Roosevelt, have always turned in that way.

What has happened?  We've have our greatest Presidents, you know,  from that period, have been assassinated! Repeatedly!  And it was done by people who were leading figures,, in the system. They committed these assassinations:  Both Kennedy and his brother, for example, key parts of that.  This kind of destruction.

And the system as such, you have two periods, two terms of a Bush family government, and now you have almost two terms completed, of Obama.  These two sets, in other words, of actually four different governments, in terms of our government system, have been evil.  And that's where your problem lies.

And then, again, you get the Green policy.  The Green policy is a deliberate, programmatic intent, for mass genocide against the people of the United States and in Europe.  You know, progress no longer exists.  The Green policy prevails.  But the Green policy is a Satanic policy, and its effect, the Green policy's effect is a Satanic effect.

So we've come to this point, and what we have to do, the people out there are beginning to get a sudden shock effect, from their financial crisis,  which is trans-Atlantic.  They're getting that.  So the question is, what do we do to respond to this crisis?  Well, the first thing you have to do, is put the blame where the blame belongs.  But you have to go another step; you have to say, what would be the solution?  And then you keep coming back to that theme, folding it in.

CHRISTIE:  Lyn, I have a quick question, because it was raised in the Saturday discussion with the Manhattan crew; somebody raised the student loan debt issue, which in its own it's striking, just the idea that you're getting all these people coming out of college with $100,000 debt loans.  And I'm sure there are probably some people sitting on this call right now, myself included, that have unpayable student loan debts.  So there's one problem with that, just as the general system.  But it also gets to the other side of things, where it's indicative of the system, but the other side of this is, the fact that are the kids who are coming out of colleges right now, with this mass of student loan, do they have engineering backgrounds, are  they nuclear scientists, are they...? No, they're not.  Most of them are coming out, with various psychology degrees and things like this that aren't really relevant for the kind of productive recovery that's needed.  And I just wonder, Lyn, if you want to — I know you've been on the record in terms of science-driver programs; I know recently you've put on the idea of a high-speed rail system as one of the main drivers of the recovery, but I just wonder if you have some immediate thoughts on, how're we going to get this younger generation the skillsets and so forth?

LAROUCHE:  Well, this problem that we're discussing has a deep root and it has a certain degree of antiquity, at the same time.  And therefore, what we call work, categorically, is often not work, but a new form of self-induced pestilence, and that's what happens.  So that the policy of the very rich against the very poor, is an indicative something, it is not the real answer to this thing; it's not the real problem.

The point is that mankind is a unique species,;  there is no species like mankind known to us, never, from our knowledge.  But mankind has the power of what's called creativity.  Now the word "creativity" is often used in a very stupid way, by very stupid people, and sometimes they have to get large degrees order to get that stupid!  I mean, you don't get that stupid, without a lot of education!  That's been the case going on.

And the practices, the practices of Wall Street, for example, is absolute waste!  It's a fraud.  It's a fraud against mankind.  Well, what's the answer?  What's the difference between mankind and an animal?  Some people find it very difficult to make that distinction, particularly if they do it against a person they don't like. But the point is, that mankind is a creative creature.  Mankind is not, like an animal; mankind is not a practical creature, that is not one who has a practical knowledge of what will work, and then will does something to get the effect that they want.  It doesn't work.

What happens is, the idea of creative discovery, human creativity, is the basis for human society.  Being practical is being stupid, because if you don't have creativity, you cannot develop the powers of mankind to solve the problems of mankind.

And so what happens?  What we're educated by, most of our education, since the beginning of the 20th century, when Bertrand Russell became a force in influencing international opinion and the practices of people, this has been evil.  What happened? Wall Street, the people who run Wall Street, generally are evil. Do they know they're evil?  Some do; some take pride in being evil.  They enjoy it, they enjoy the power of being evil.

But mankind depends upon mankind's ability to make discoveries of principle, not just discoveries, but discoveries of principle, principles which mankind had not known before, but had discovered these principles; and therefore mankind, thus, increased mankind's ability, to conquer threats to the human species.  And to actually go further, as Kepler did, for example, to go out and say, this is the Solar System; here's how it's organized; here's the form in which it's organized.  That was a discovery, a scientific discovery, which had not been known before.

And this discovery is one of the great things that gave us progress in conditions of life.  We had an earlier effort in the Renaissance.  The Renaissance did a similar kind of thing earlier; then it was crushed, by evil people, like Wall Street people. And you had a terrible period, during that entire century.  And then we got back, again and so forth, and we got the United States as an institution, created as an institution. And this United States created, on a global scale, created a conception of mankind, which had otherwise not existed, among human beings; the American model, when the United States was making great achievements in progress, despite all the problems that went along with that.

So the issue here, is the fact that mankind is a unique species; that the natural condition of mankind, contrary to stupid people, is the human mind, when it is in a actually creative mode, actually increases the power of mankind, to deal with everything in terms of the universe, as a relationship to the universe.  And it's these kinds of discoveries, where mankind is uplifted, to a higher scientific standards, for example; scientific discoveries, discoveries of, now, the Galaxy, which is now the target we're concentrating on; we're trying to find out how we can control the Galaxy; that's mankind's current concern. How do we deal with the Galaxy? We know that mankind can come under the influence of the Galaxy, the way Kepler brought that to the Solar System.  This was scientific discovery, and therefore, what we need, is we need a system which is scientific discovery, true scientific discovery.

And these are the things that make life beautiful for mankind, when mankind is allowed to behave beautifully.  And this is what the issue is.

And what happened to Wall Street?  Wall Street was Satanic, literally.  You can say that Wall Street was a Satanic agency!  You can say that fairly. It's absolutely true. And right now, many of you on the streets, and over the course of the remainder of this week, are going to find out how evil and how Satanic Wall Street is.

BENJAMIN DENISTON:  I think this is why the Franklin Roosevelt precedent is so important, because it wasn't just one policy, it was this whole array, of programs.  He had the Pecora Commission expose Wall Street as the Satanic force it was; putting Glass-Steagall through, take Wall Street's power away. Then you had the whole infrastructure development, the Four Corners program building up the nation.  You had the CCC, investing in the young generation, build up the productive power of labor.  It was all an array of programs; it wasn't just any one program, it was a principle.

I think based upon what you're discussing, the purpose of government is to facilitate this process, the increase of the creative capabilities of your population, protect it from Satanic looters, like Wall Street; but then, facilitate the process of this investment, this development, this science-driver program building up the population.  I think what you laid out here is a beautiful expression of the scientific basis for the principle underlying what the policy has to be.  It has to be rooted in the understanding that mankind has to progress to the next level, to these higher level.  That's human nature, that's what makes us mankind, that's why we have the right to organize government to run a government, to facilitate that process.

LAROUCHE:  Well, the problem comes up when people substitute, mathematics for science; that's where the problem comes in.  But that's a slick trick, in order to confuse people. Because it's only by making discoveries of universal physical principle, and mathematics never defines a universal physical principle.  Mathematics cannot provide that.

Now, mathematics is something you can use, you know, counting the groceries or something like that; it's useful for those purposes.  But it will never give you the progress of human labor.  And human labor is something no animal can do!  The difference is that mankind is the only species that can do that! No living animal species can do that.  That's the absolute difference between mankind and the animals.

And what we're doing, during the 20th century, we have placed the emphasis more and more and more, under evil influences like Bertrand Russell's influence, and they have created this fallacy, of saying that mathematics is science; and it's not!  We had one man in the 20th century, who really was a scientist, Einstein.  He really understood the principle of science;  there were others, who practiced science and did useful things, but they didn't operate according to the basis of the principle of science, and that's the difference.  And the point is, we need to get back to that point, and recognize the great evil mistake we allowed to happened to mankind, was that: That we used mathematics in place of science.

DENISTON:  It's an attack on human creativity.

LAROUCHE:  Exactly.

DENISTON:  It's negating any idea that the human mind has an actually creativity progress, that creates new, fundamental states which didn't exist within the prior state.  Actually the question is Satanic.  The history of mankind shows, that that argument is based on a Satanic conception, the Zeus principle.

So therefore, the question is, we've now come to the point, that if we don't do something to get rid of what Obama is doing, in particular, and what others in Europe in a similar way, in terms of the financial thing; if we don't do that now, you may find, there's no more human species.

Michael STEGER:  Well, I think that's the point.  I mean, what you're raising Lyn, this degeneration of mathematics has brought us to the point where the entire economy was reduced to a mathematical system of fraud, to basically destroy most of the human species.  And Obama was there, specifically to intimidate, and implement that policy, as the system went, as the system blew. Since he came into office, it was September of 2008, the system blew out; and it's now blowing out, which is a complete condemnation of his Presidency.  And it seems more than ever, it's possible that this Presidency be removed, not from a mathematical standpoint, but from an actual future standpoint: This guy's got to go!  And that the first hundred days of the next administration needs to start now.  But the rest of this year needs to be a start, needs to be the basis of implementing this new economic system.  Because either you get Obama out and start the recovery, or you leave Obama in and you see the destruction of mankind.  That's where we are; that's what this crisis, this financial break essentially represents.  You can't leave this guy in office.  He is the culmination of this hundred years-plus, of degeneration inside our culture, and the policies, physically, towards an economic recovery have to be implemented.

LAROUCHE:  Absolutely.

Rachel BRINKLEY:  We have, thankfully due to the work that we've been doing on the Thursday call process, there is actually a process in the citizenry which is being educated around these solutions, and not just those people, but other, reverberating effects from our activity.  There is a basis in the American population to understand these policies, but we need a mass education program quickly.

We also have the Glass-Steagall bill introduced about three weeks ago, into the House and the Senate; it's ready to go.  Put that through, and we can begin these measures immediately.

LAROUCHE:  Well, let's take another aspect of this thing. Let's take Manhattan.  Now, I've been focusing on Manhattan for some time; I've been familiar with what the principle of Manhattan meant, for a long time, for most of my life.  And I've had a fairly long life so far; I don't know how much longer that's going to continue, but it's been that way.  But what Manhattan has represented, it's represented actually the principal center of intellectual progress in terms of the United States.  Manhattan as such, is more important for human creativity inside the United States, than any other single factor.

All the problems you can talk about, about Manhattan and so forth, all true.  But!  inside that, there's something else that goes with it, which I've always understood, to operate on. You want to introduce things like scientific principles, true, scientific principles, and you want to apply the use of those scientific principles and their fruits; you want to increase the productive powers of labor, in the sense of a true creative ability, and that's what's been crucial.

We have destroyed, since the beginning of the 20th century, and it started at the beginning of the 20th century, especially against Alexander Hamilton, since that time; and what Bertrand Russell did in poisoning the human mind throughout much of the planet, has been really, Satan's own little agent: Bertrand Russell, Satan's agent.  And the British Empire has been the Satan's agent.  That's what's happened, that's what is the case. There's been a lot of other Satanic things, they're all part of the world.

But what we have to understand mainly, is the things that are needed, in terms of the powers of humanity, the powers of creativity as opposed to those things which oppose human creativity.  And what we have to do is get rid of the so-called "arithmetic school," and get to a science school on that basis. And Manhattan is an area in which you find there's more receptivity in general, than any large area in any other part of the United States.  And therefore, Manhattan, despite all the rich people who build these great towers, and now these towers are about to, not collapse, but they're about to become empty.

You know, all the skyscrapers, and they're about to become empty, emptied of the people occupying these territories.  And this bespeaks a great change in the practice of the United States national as such.  It also bespeaks the example that we can set again, as was done by Alexander Hamilton, for example, where we can take those principles of progress, and put them back to work.

Kesha ROGERS:  What you're speaking of a new intention for mankind, and what is the true nature of mankind, that  goes against; because a lot of people don't recognize this question of intention.  And look at what the policy of Russell, what the policy of the oligarchical system that has been to eliminate or to reduce the population of the world, people look at certain events in society, as just through deductive methods, or they're just happenstance or circumstance; and they have no correlation or there's no relation to them; they're all just a part of something that happens, they have no intention.

But that's the reality of why we have to look at the degeneracy of the culture over so many decades now, is because it's been intentional.  The social-cultural degeneration, the attack on the culture in the population to make people dumbed down, and not able, or not fit to be able to understand and address the crisis that is right in front of their face.  And that's the danger we face right now.  Because you know, Franklin Roosevelt had a higher intention for the progress of mankind; we have a lunatic in the White House, now, Obama, who is pushing the policy which is absolutely the intention of the Empire, to destroy the progress of mankind.

But it's also important, I think that what you have initiated or emphasized on the fact that there's not a dichotomy between this continued escalation and drive for thermonuclear war, which more and more people are starting to come to understand; and the fact that the whole trans-Atlantic financial system is disintegrating.  This thing is not happening out of context of one another.  And I think that too many people think that that's the case:  That the nuclear war threat has nothing to do with the financial collapse.  But the reality is, it is actually festering and feeding off one another as long as we continue to have the policy of Obama being in the White House and the fact that the Empire is completely freaked out that you have a movement in society, amongst mankind that's saying, "we're going to free ourselves once and for all, of this degeneracy, of this culture of treating human beings like animals; and we're going to restore the true commitment of what mankind represents, what is the true intention and purpose of mankind."

And so, the Empire doesn't like that.  And they'll be willing to blow everything up, including themselves, before they allow for that beauty which you were just expressing and representing for mankind to be put forward.  And people have to understand, this question of intention is real.

LAROUCHE:  Well, it's even more than that, it's much deeper. The point is, if we don't  do, as of now, as of today, and as of yesterday also, as well, if we don't do what I know we have to do, what I know we have to do in terms of changes in U.S. policy, and the relationship of U.S. policy to Europe and so forth and so on; if we don't respond to what is my concern, here at this moment, for example; if we don't respond accordingly, the chances of a civilized existence of mankind is impossible. And that's what the problem is.

We just are not committed to progress. We've been conditioned to oppose progress.  We say, "But you've got to be practical."  And that's what's killing us.

We have run along a road, where we have been destroyed; everything that the United States accomplished, for example, is being destroyed, and even from earlier periods, but that particular period.  And if you continue this process, mankind will make himself extinct. Obama will do that for you, if you want him to do that for you.

But we've got to do that:  We've got to get this thing organized on the basis of what I warned about here.  Very simple: Go to high levels of scientific progress; we devote ourselves to high principles of scientific progress; we get rid of the garbage, get rid of the things that are inherently destructive, and recognize that the real issue is, we're all going to die. Amazingly, all human beings will die.  At least there's no evidence that there's any possibility of anything else. And therefore, what's important about human life, is what that human life can contribute to the future of mankind; that is, to create a future of mankind which goes far behind anything we have known heretofore.  For example, like the Galaxy conception, the Galactic conception.  That's a new concept, and it's a true concept.  Man's ability to reach out and begin to move something about the Solar System, and beyond the Solar System as such.

That's mankind:  It's great progress of that sort, which is what's crucial.  And what has happened, is during the course of the 20th century in particular, there has been a steady thrust, since the beginning of the 20th century, a thrust to destroy everything that is human progress:  And that's what you're living in now.

That's what you're seeing in California, for example, among the young students, or the people of young age:  They're degenerates.  Admit it!  They're degenerates!  But we would hope that we could get them to become un-degenerates.  But right now, the mass picture is, degeneracy!  Look at the public opinion, public expressions in California.  What's the concentration of degeneracy, since the earlier leadership in California.  Absolute degeneracy.

Texas:  Massive degeneracy, of a different type.  Most of the Southern states have not improved much of anything, since the slavery system was put into place; about the same.

So these factors of degeneracy, are the things that have destroyed us so far.  And the time has come, we don't have any choice any more:  We eliminate the habit of degeneracy, now, or expect the worst.

SARE:  Well, I think part of what's been developing with the series of meetings in Manhattan, is that you have been doing exactly that.  And it's a choral principle, in part, with the music, where people are experiencing Schubert, Furtwängler, and Classical composition, in a way that they never imagined, and they take a certain delight in that; and then they engage in this dialogue with you, and you definitely see a developmental process, which is anti-degenerate.

LAROUCHE:  Well, I happen to sort of love people!  And I like to see them getting the best; and you know, at my age, I'm functional but most people my age are really over the hedge or something like that now, already, and these are the things that my destiny is to contribute to that purpose.  And you can't stop me when I get rolling.  I'm committed, because I'm committed to the future of mankind.  And I think the future of mankind, you know, you can look at a child, and you look at that child and you think what that child is going to become; and that's what your concern is.  And you think about the poor, the people who are poorly educated, those who are suffering, what are you doing for them?  Because your responsibility as a human being, is to become a contributor to the progress of the average person within society.  And one way or the other, you have to do something which is your purpose of life which works to that effect.

In all the great periods of history, like the Renaissance period, the Renaissance was precisely that principle; that mankind has a sacred role; that all persons will die, all human beings will die, there's no sign that there's a possibility they won't.  But! then what's important?  What's the mission?  Is it to live, like the fool does, and hope that they don't die, but they will die, anyway?  Or, is it the mission to do something with one's life, which enriches the ability of human beings generally, to continue the mission of mankind:  Which is, to do what is provided for, mankind's ability and creativity, which no other living species has.  And therefore mankind is the sacred animal.  Because he's the only creature which meets that qualification.

And therefore everything we should do, should be to devote our time while we have it, of living, and contribute to that effect, that we are obliged to advance mankind, to a higher standard of achievement.  And that's a sacred one.  And by religion and any other thing, it's the most sacred thing possible, is to promote creativity in others.

And those who say, "No, no, no, you can't have creativity, you've got to have some slavery," more or less, and that's what the problem is.

ROGERS:  That's what a lot of people have lost the commitment and passion to this idea of the future, that you're speaking of.  Because the way you talk about the fact that, all living creatures, all human beings are going to have to die, is different from how society thinks; well, if we're going to get blown up in thermonuclear war, what does it matter, because we're all going to die anyway.  But that is missing the fact that they're thinking about it from the standpoint, of a lot of fundamentalists or so forth, say that, they are more concerned about their own personal salvation.  If I'm going to die, then the question is, what is it that I have to do for my own salvation and for my own life; versus thinking about the fact what are you doing to represent what's necessary for the lives of those who will come after you, who you've never seen or never will meet.  And the fact that these people will not have a chance to live, under those conditions.

But it's just really inspiring, because what you're talking about is a question of the meaning of life and death that goes beyond someone's own personal life.  But a lot of people are missing this point; is, they don't respond to this question of the future, in the way that you're just discussing.

LAROUCHE:  That's true.  And that's the problem.  Because mankind has no permanent future; the individual has no permanent future, except what they contribute to mankind. And that's the only thing that you can do.  That's your real achievement in life, is what you can contribute, to mankind's development while you're alive. And that's the thing you really want to fight for, fight for that; there's nothing else really as much important, as fighting for that.

You know, you have friends get killed, in war or other ways, by disease or all kinds of things.  Why do you care about them? Why do you care about them when you know that they're hovering near death?  Why do you care?  Because it's a matter of principle.  It's a matter, they are human, and therefore, to the extent that they can continue to be human, effectively, especially, or whatever was in them, in the earlier course of life, that is something which is properly precious to all human beings, if they understand what reality is.

And what we want to do is achieve and bring into play, bring in higher considerations, better than mankind has known before, and to bring those talents into practice, for future mankind. Look, Einstein is typical of this kind of thing.  Einstein was a true scientist, in that sense, and most of the others were really not true scientists; they were people who said, "I can make out." And that was the difference.

And so therefore, the point is, what we have to preach in that sense, is we have recognize that this is a threat to mankind, it's a threat to the human species, to recognize that we have intellectually, the means to define solutions, to prevent this thing from continuing in this manner; and we're going to do something about that.  Now, how far we're going to be able to carry that, is something we don't know.  But the intention to do so, and the commitment to that principle, is an essential feature of any person, who is really human.

And that's where the problem lies.

SARE:  Good.  Well, I think that gives our audience something to think about in terms of addressing what is happening, and I would urge everybody who's watching to pay close attention to this website throughout the course of the week, because I'm sure there'll be more as things unfold.

LAROUCHE:  [laughs]  Doubtless.

SARE:  So, with that:  Thank you for joining us, and we'll see you next week.



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