Transcript—Diane SARE:  Good afternoon and welcome to the weekly discussion of the LaRouche PAC Policy Committee.  Today is Jul 27th, and I'm Diane Sare, and I am still filling in for Matt Ogden who I think will be back with us, hopefully soon.

And I'm joined on Google Hangouts by Bill Roberts, from Detroit, Michigan; Dave Christie, from Seattle, Washington; Kesha Rogers, from Houston, Texas; Michael Steger from San Francisco, California; and Rachel Brinkley from Boston, Massachusetts.  And here in the studio, we have Jason Ross and Megan Beets from the LaRouche PAC Science Team, and of course, Lyndon LaRouche.

LYNDON LAROUCHE:  Well, I think we have an interesting situation in general.  I went through the countdown on what the prospects are now of the situation now, and it's really tough. Because we're coming to a point where Obama will be free to launch war, without any opposition.  And that's extremely dangerous.

There are also other considerations which can come into play, which are also deadly.  What I've done, I'm not going to recite the whole litany I have, which I discussed earlier this morning with some of our people, but it's dangerous, extremely dangerous.  And there are very strict limitations on what, at this point, have to be done in view of the prospect that Obama would be free to launch a war.  And that war would mean probably a thermonuclear war; Russia would not launch the war, but Russia would prepared to react to the launch of that war, immediately. And that's the situation.

And this can mean the extinction of a lot of people on the planet, and that's where we are.  There are other considerations which we went through in detail with Helga and others, this morning, and the options are very limited.  We do not have a generous display of opportunities for dealing with this thing.

So we have to understand that, first of all, we have to prevent Obama from being in charge of launching war, when the Congress loses its activity.  That's dangerous.  There are a number of other considerations which can also similarly dangerous ones; the wrong party getting into the warfare, for example, and that complication. All these things are there.

And this is going to require on our part, I think, more stress than we've ever gone through before, in order to meet all the requirements which represent reasonable security of avoidance of thermonuclear war.  And that's where we are.

SARE:  Well, definitely resonates with what you were saying last week to members of the Policy Committee and then Thursday night, which is that one of the major difficulties we face is that people, one, are looking in the wrong direction about what's about to happen to them; they have their own fantasies, or they're thinking in the small, "what's going to happen to me personally?" Or, that people may see that there's some trouble on the horizon, but they think it's a thunder storm, and it's actually a  tornado that's coming their way.

LAROUCHE:  Yeah, if they think in those terms, that is, people in general, they're idiots.  Because that is not the way things are going to work.  There are very narrow periods of option, coming up, especially as we get to the mid-point of the summer, where Obama is then free to launch a thermonuclear war, under the appropriate conditions for that purpose.  And also there are other things, there are other things which can be complications, which are not directly U.S. versus Obama, and these things could be complications which would do the same thing, trip the wire.

So therefore, it's important, urgent, that we all pay close attention to these constrictions:  Obama must not now get any access at this thing, no control point.

Now, you've got the Hillary case.  The Hillary case is extremely significant at this point, because the issue is, did she lie on the question of Obama's role, and that is a fact.  so that's another complication.

SARE:  In Benghazi?

LAROUCHE:  In Benghazi.  And so, Obama can be stopped, if Hillary is honest.  If she's not honest, then we got trouble. And we've seen recently that on these matters, she is not honest.

On the Glass-Steagall case, for example, she's not honest. And she was actually the one who got Bill to cancel Glass-Steagall; it was her pressure and the pressure on other people, but she was part of it.  And I spoke to her, after he was out of office, and we had this little sort of celebration when he was out of office, and so Bill was fine; but she was blinking — "what's this all about?  What're you talking about, what're you talking about?"  Then it was very clear.

So she has lost her identity and has actually become a slave of Obama, and you see that already in Benghazi.  So these are the kinds of things, and there are many more; we went through a large list, which I think it's too much to go through right now,  but there are real problems, and some of us who are discussing these matters do understand what these options are.  I think we've gone through a fairly good, cross-checking list, that we have forewarned exactly what the risks are.  And that's what I was concerned about:  How can we prevent this thing from happening? Not, will the war occur, but how do we act, in order to make sure this does not happen.

SARE:  Right.  Well, that came up in the Saturday discussion [Manhattan Project Dialogue] in Manhattan.  I mean it was a long arc of a really fascinating dialogue which people should watch on the website.

But the woman at the end then said, "Well, so are you optimistic?" And you said "I don't believe in being optimistic, I believe in being successful."  And in a sense this is really the challenge, which gets at what you began with, — I think it was last week — with this question of the disruptions: that people tend to think events only unfold in a certain preordained fashion.  But in reality, that's now how things happen, and in fact,  we just had an example of that with what happened with Pluto.  I mean everyone thought they knew what this was, and almost everything we believed about it has now been thrown out the window.

LAROUCHE:  Well, yeah.  That's really the clear point; that's it.  The countdown is on.  But the countdown is composed of an array of options, and what we've gone with the discussion we had earlier this morning, was to go through the array of options, and what are the ones which are the dangerous ones, and what among the dangerous ones, what are the more particularly probable ones.  And that's where it is.

And therefore, if we don't get some leadership, in terms of the United States government, and if we don't get the job done before the Congress goes out of session, then the maximum danger is reached, unless Obama has been removed beforehand. And that's where we are.

Dave CHRISTIE:  Lyn, just one thing on that, every year it's been more intense in terms of discussion around the Guns of August, and obviously the Congress does leave, and they're not coming back till damned near the middle of September.  The other factor of this and I'm not saying this is the entirety of the factor; I think the real factor of the war danger is the fact that the British imperial system is now disintegrating, and in that context, they become like corner graph.

But the other side of this is Dempsey's coming replacement has already made it clear that he considers Russia enemy 1, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff; whereas Dempsey has made it very clear that he's made it his mission not to get into this kind of a war, and others that are planning to come in, I think the head of the Army was saying that he also considers Russia enemy 1; so this is a real danger, because up to this point, we've had the military working as a counter balance against Obama and the British intention for war.  So I think that's at least one part of the urgency of the danger here.

LAROUCHE:  Well, that goes with the question of the responsibility of certain authorities in the Congress, in the Senate in particular.  And that's one of the things I've taken into account; that if the Senate, the seated part of the leadership of the Senate, acts, they can stop it.  They can force it, if they're prepared to force it.  In other words, they have to be prepared to do that beforehand, not at the marking off point.

Yeah, but there are a lot of considerations in this thing. All kinds of complications which can come into play.  And I think we have a pretty good array, from what we've discussed today, earlier; I think we've got a good array out of this.  But, we have to take all the precautions, which I have discussed with others today, and those conditions are absolutely essential.

Kesha ROGERS:  This gets at the clear understanding, once again, as you've said how interventions in historic processes are made, in terms of the role of the individual, and what you just said about the responsibility of these Congress Members, of these Senators to act in this moment of crisis, is a prime example of how people intervene in history, and how an individual can actually transform the course of history.

But I think one thing that's interesting to point out is to go back and look at the challenge that we face right now, from the standpoint of one of the questions that came about in the Science Team's question & answer discussion last week. The first question was on, why is it that you're emphasizing the need for science and Classical art and music, when we're faced with the threat of thermonuclear war?

And I think that you've clearly expressed why this is absolutely necessary, because when you think about the need for the solutions for elevating mankind to a new era for mankind, to higher states of thinking, this is not something to happen in the far distant future, but something which has to happen now, if we are to avoid this threat of thermonuclear war, but has to happen now because you have to have a different framework of thinking within your society and your population.  I don't think thermonuclear war is inevitable, but it can be inevitable, if you don't have a society that actually understands the nature of what it means to be human, and why we have to protect and defend human life.

LAROUCHE:  I would say we're on the dark side, of certainty, already.  Which means that you have to have positive actions, introduced internationally in order to prevent this.  And you have a bunch of gutless wonders in there, and some people who are not, and that worries me. It should worry everyone.  But we have to prevent that.  Anyone tries to start a general war, for any reason, and this is largely, this is chiefly — the chief threat, comes from the President of the United States!  And the highest priority is get that bum out of here!  Because that's the threat which can kill the human species,  with the chain-reaction consequences of that happening, by Obama.

Now, I think one of the most significant things right now, is the targetting of the guilty party, which is known as whom? Hillary.  Hillary is a pillory.

SARE:  She's another kind of Queen.

LAROUCHE:  No, the point is, her cowardice, her lack of morality on this issue, her lying, flagrant lying, again and again and again.  What she does, plays the role of a scapegoat for Obama, and therefore if she backs up Obama, effectively with her defense of her situation, that would probably be sufficient , to trigger a thermonuclear war, by the middle of the term, would cause it immediately.

And you've got all the other factors are in that, now.  So therefore, some people have to wake up, and fulfill their responsibilities.  But the problem is, our population is so stupid.  It's not that they're inherently stupid, or intend to be stupid; it's just they don't know any better.  And you look at the question of what we call the successive degenerations, since the course of this whole process — actually since one period before the 20th century, that's where the danger point comes. And that's what I'm concerned about.

And the problem is, there are so very few people, who have any comprehension of this thing.  A very limited group of people have any comprehension of this thing.  You have people who will panic about it, because their uncertainty confused, and so forth, they're upset, they're frightened.  But, if they're just frightened, that makes the thing worth than if they weren't frightened.  So it's better to make them frightened, because that's the best chance of their saying, "no, no, no, no!"  And that's your best bet with the population in general, at the point it says, "no, no, no, no, we're not going into a thermonuclear war!"

To do that, the first thing you have to say is, "Obama, is at the point where he may be able, to launch a thermonuclear war, and a thermonuclear war, and a thermonuclear war means you're dead! You're voting for your own death for your own nation if you do that.  Because that'll happen.

See the problem of this kind of warfare, is there is not "point of return."

SARE:  Right.

LAROUCHE:  So that therefore, all you have to do is have a party which is not stopped,  and that's sufficient cause.

SARE:  Once it's shown to be the case, it's too late to do anything about it.  It has to be done before.

LAROUCHE: Yeah, exactly.  So it has to be a precaution.  And we've gone through a list of discussion of precautions which are the probable ones.  And they all involve a role by Putin. Interesting.

JASON ROSS:  And just that, people understand that the reason we have this threat, isn't because of particular events that are taking place, there's no particular threat that is being responded to in this way.  But we've never defeated oligarchy; we had the American Revolution.  We didn't have the success in Europe.  You know, we had the Congress of Vienna, not long after that; such that, you know, you brought up the 1890s, the ouster of Bismarck, basically the setting into motion of World War I since the 1890s, since the ouster of Bismarck and the taking apart of alliances and the policy that he had had to make war impossible; and also the economic development he had been implementing, so that, it almost was a matter of course, that the conditions existed for World War I breaking out as it did in 1914.

But that, today, the oligarchy is still here, and with thermonuclear weapons, the ability to keep putting it off, you know, I think we're reaching an end-point on that ability; and I think it's pretty astonishing to see in Europe — talking about discontinuity, disruptions, to see in England these major shifts being made, these major efforts that're being made to attack the Queen, to attack Philip, to attack the Monarchy.

LAROUCHE:  Yeah, but the problem is of a different nature. The problem is, the fact of stupidity at a very high level.  If you take the last week, essentially, before the beginning of the next generation, that at that point you go into an area at which you can set into motion the actual mechanisms of such a war. Now, what is that?  The thing is, the use of mathematics!  The most deadly weapon, against civilization is the belief in mathematics.  That's the key to the thing!  And that's the greatest cause of risk, because of mathematics.  People say, "yes, but," and they assume that an arithmetic scale, of some kind or another, will be the protection.  And that's where the problem — or they decide they're going to war anyway, because they have confidence that they can win it.  Which is idiocy.

SARE:  Based on mathematics.

LAROUCHE:  Yeah.  Because the whole issue is, what is it? What happened that led into the 20th century?  But it actually came in about one year or so before.  The breakdown of the system which led to the turning point, at the turn of the century and that was the source:  Bertrand Russell, for example, is the exemplary figure.

So that influence of Russell, and if look what happened in the century after that, what do you see?  You see complete, — except for Einstein, — complete capitulation to the idea of arithmetic, mathematics.  And that's what does it.  Now, today, you've got the same situation:  mathematics.

When the point is, the issue is, mankind is a unique species, and mathematics doesn't mean a damned thing for mankind, not really.  And therefore, the point is, that mankind is not a finite phenomenon.  All animal lives are finite in their existence.  Mankind is not finite in mankind's existence, because mankind does not use arithmetic, does not use mathematics. And if you rely on mathematics, you are going into Hell under these kinds of conditions, exactly those conditions!

So therefore, that is what has to be done, and we can do it. We can actually, we have in the weeks ahead, we have the possibility of stirring something up on this thing, which is what I was doing last weekend; the same thing, I concentrated on that, and we found we could move people on that issue.  And therefore, that's what I'm doing, chiefly.

To lay this out:  You guys are jerks, you're idiots, you don't know what you're doing!  You're fools, you're going to kill yourself, you're going to blow your heads off.  Probably the best thing you could do is blow your heads off, because that will stop you from doing other things.  [laughter]

But, we're in that kind of situation:  We're in a point, which is a deadly threat to the very continued existence of mankind, and we have to deal with that problem.  Because these guys will do it.  We see it right there with Obama, and Obama's only an agent of this thing, but that's what you see.  If they do that, if they launch on weaponry now, if we use the kind of weaponry which is available now, and we have say, two major parties opposing each other, in particular, what you're going to do is a headlong extermination of most of the human species.  And that will happen in a matter of minutes!

CHRISTIE:  Well, Lyn, just one thing on that, in terms of this mathematics, and I know you have some dealings with this and some sense of the history of this, but much of this idea around war games, comes from this game theory idea; and even the core of game theory, you set up the game according to the rules of the game, right? And I think this is part of what goes on in idiots who think they're going to win a first strike against Russia, under the rules of the Prompt Global Strike, and under the rules, they expect that Russia will have a certain response.  "Well we're not really going with full ICBM, full thermonuclear assault from the get-go, so you shouldn't have a response that wouldn't be within the rules of the game."  And just this idea of game theory is so embedded in how these people even think about it, that you can obviously, if Russia doesn't play by the rules, — which I don't think they will play by the rules — that's where all this kind of mathematical thinking goes out the window.

LAROUCHE:  It does go out the window, totally!  If people believe that, they're going to be dead very soon.

No, you cannot do that: The weapons systems that exist, and the known strategies which are in the game, you cannot do that. You cannot do it.  You're dead! You're blasted out of the water. You don't realize that the weaponry which is developed, has a potential of total killing, or something near to total killing. That's the end of the human species, essentially, as we've known it.  You might have a couple of ape-like looking things limping around some place around there, but we're on that point.

And what happens is, you have to remember two things:  Not only are the weapons of war, now, deadly, inherently deadly, but! the mental life of the citizen is more dangerous than the war.  Because it's the stupidity of the citizen which will bring on the kind of process — look what's happened:  What has happened in general?  You go say, to the last decade of the 19th century, before the 20th century; now that decade in which Bismarck was out of business; the British had taken over from Bismarck.

So at that point, during that period, you had a period of preparing for general World War I, and this took about one year, one whole year; and so this is what the war was like.  Now, what happens is, since that time, the propensity for stupidity, in leading nations of the world, especially the leading nations, is that as each step, each term, not necessarily the day, or each January, but the point is, what is happening is, the intelligence level of the citizens in the United States and Europe, for example, is the process of aging of the population, has been a degeneration in the quality of mental life of the population. And that's where the danger comes.

In other words, they're becoming so damned stupid, that they'll just walk into it.  The people say, we're going to win that war.  Well, anyone who understands this, what international warfare is, there's only one way to play that.  For example, the United States launches a total war against Russia, in particular, and other targets, but especially there.  Russia will have to react immediately, to try to counter this attack.  Russia does not intend to launch the war; Obama intends to launch the war.

So, the first thing that you have to eliminate, Obama from the program.  Then you might have a chance.  You've got idiots, military idiots who would like to replace Obama  in launching such a war.  But the point is, if you take the correlation of forces between what the United States in particular represents, and what Russia represents in particular, where the United States would be launching the attack, but within less than microseconds, or something like that, Russia would launch its full blast.  At that point, you have to go back to what a President of ours, Kennedy in dealing with the Cuba crisis; but now the Cuba crisis is a tame animal, it's a mere poodle, compared to what the situation is now,  — the weaponry is now, is extermination.

And if you have citizens who are idiots enough not to recognize that, that's the danger.  And the best thing to do, is get Obama out of the picture, and anything like him out of the picture. Just throw him out of office; you don't have to do a thing to him; you don't want to shoot him, that would be a distraction.  You want to get him out of office, and get people like him out of office, quick!  Because Russia has played the game, together with China and so forth, has played the game, to say, "we are not going to launch thermonuclear war."  But! The United States, with various influences is prepared to launch such a war, which means, Boom! A threat of the extinction of the human species.

And the other part of the thing which is a complication, is the stupidity of this American citizen, which has been an increasing rate of stupidity, that is, the shift, from science to mathematics.  And the shift from science as such, to mathematics, is one of the greatest sources of the threat of the extinction of the human species under these conditions.

MEGAN BEETS: I think you see that very clearly in the population, who will either, with the war line against Russia, promote the idea of a war against Russia out of utter stupidity, — and many other words that I shouldn't say publicly — but then you have the other side of it, which is, "Well, I don't think that's going to happen. Well, I don't see what you're saying, I don't see it in the logical program...."

LAROUCHE:  Well, you have to say, simply say, "You are stupid."

BEETS:  Well, I think that's the point, and you are uniquely saying, and you're continuing to say that the past 100-plus years has been the creation of a mental life in the population, which is a destructive kind of anti-human mental life where people have been rendered incapable of seeing the future.

LAROUCHE:  But you can't just do that.  You have to say, "Look, you are stupid, that's the problem, you are stupid.  You didn't intend to become stupid, but you became stupid."  Say, "Now, look at your children,"  Let's take what's happened in the most recent set of generations, when we passed into this new phase:  What happened?  What're these kids like?  What're these youth like?  What're most of the citizens like? Why?  Because, not only are they idiots in the sense of believing what they believed earlier in terms that mathematics is science.  That's the essential problem! If you believe that mathematics is science, then you're an idiot.  And you may not know you're an idiot, and that's one of the problems here.  But you are an idiot, even if you don't know it.  And what you will do is you will move in ways which will degenerate the population.

Now look at the youth:  Take, say 25 years from birth to maturation, and in that period, what's the condition of life of the so-called citizens, even the so-called citizens in the United States?  Every time that clock ticks down that scale, you're getting an increasing degree, of relative moral and intellectual degeneracy!

Look at our entertainment, good example.  Our entertainment is morally degeneracy.  And it's not just moral degeneracy,  it's not just an offense against morals, it's a commitment to destruction.

You see this in the Middle East:  You're getting warfare there of this kind of nature.  It's only a precursor, for thermonuclear war.  But it's increasing, and has been increasing. And so therefore, up to this point, we're becoming extremely vulnerable, and therefore we have to take measures, to prevent this thing from happening.  And we have to make sure that we don't allow idiots, in the Senate in particular, or in the military service, don't allow them to turn loose these idiots. Because they really are idiots.  They no longer have human minds. They're degenerates.

And you see each of these generations coming along, you know, just take 25 years, call that from successful birth to end of life, and that's it; that's what we're faced with.

So therefore, what we have to do, is a moral one, essentially, is to tell people, "well, you're an idiot, you need to be reeducated.  You're an idiot." And they will become very angry about that, but maybe they'll kill each and that may solve the problem.  But anyway, this is the kind of thing we're dealing with.  We're dealing with something, which is unthinkable to most people, but we know it's true.

Because see, mankind is an immortal species.  No living creature except mankind, is an immortal species, as far as we know.  And therefore, if you destroy the sense of immortality in the human species as the kind of culture today does, then you are creating the conditions for the termination of the existence of humanity.

SARE:  You know, we're seeing one way of kind of touching people, off guard, is what's happened in New York around the chorus, where people — I think partly they don't even actually know what hit them, but it's been very interesting to me, these two sessions where we've done a little bit of work on the Schubert Ninth Symphony and the Furtwängler [conducting of it], that people — the lightbulbs start turning on, and they start to get a glimmer of something that they never even thought about before, or something they never even imagined they could consider before.  At any rate, it's a work in progress, but it's...

LAROUCHE:  It's not just a work in progress.  What it is, if you turn the mind of the citizen, the youth and the citizen, and do that, to get that idea across, that will do the job.  Because the point is, when they entered a different state than the state of degeneracy which is the characteristic thing of Wall Street, or all these other kinds of institutions, if you save the soul, the intellectual soul of the individual member of society, that in itself creates a different mentality, a different feeling about things.

It's degenerate behavior, degenerate practices which promote this kind of stuff.  And when you get these students out there who are wild, crazy, student-age group, that's the danger, the major danger.  These guys are hoodlums.  And they're hoodlums in a very serious way; they will actually do mass killing, even of themselves.

So this is the problem.  And therefore, the only cure is, two things, you have to have a factor of changing man's orientation; how do you do that?  You get them to aspire Classical musical performance, one case, essential, absolutely essential.  When people are operating, on the basis of a commitment to a Classical musical performance, in a real sense, and the Furtwängler model is actually the best model for this, because it's very explicit and it's detailed in implications. So, if you do that, the effect on the citizen, or even the pre-citizen, is a positive one.

Because if you don't do that, what you get is the degenerate tendency.  If they're not inspired by behavior by themselves, which is noble in its characteristics, then they tend to be insulated against behavior of that evil type.  If they do not have access to that, if they do not have competent, not-mathematics; mathematics is stupid; mathematicians are stupid people inherently.

And this is what Bertrand Russell created:  Bertrand Russell created an age of idiots!  And that's what the thing is.  But, if you induce in people an understanding of what humanity is, and it's perfectly possible, like a musician, what we were doing last weekend, when you take people, and you put them through a coherent effort, to present musical ideas, Classical musical ideas, principles, their attitude changes!  They go upward, and that's what I, on this Manhattan orientation which I've insisted on since last October, —  forget all this stuff!  Forget all the local yokels of the whole thing; they're not useful.

You have to get people in an area, where they will follow these kinds of choices, in culture, and that makes a difference! In other words, how do you take a guy, generation after generation and they're becoming more and more degenerate, which has been the case over the course since the 19th century, that's been the story; well, you go give them the antidote!  The antidote lies within them, which causes the resonance of the needed means of action.  So they now are restored, in a sense. Now they have a perspective of the meaning of human life.  And they say, "This is good.  This makes me feel something good about me, inside me."  And that's what you want to do.

So you have to play the forces against humanity, of people who want to do beautiful things, in this sense; as opposed to being out in the street and trying to kill somebody for entertainment purposes.  And that's the difference.

What we have is too many students and others now, who are out of this whole population in the United States, most of them, more and more, really are moving toward killing, older people, and young people, for entertainment purposes.  You're seeing it now with the random killing, as we saw in this area here, random killings. What's the difference?  If they believe and enjoy an expression which is beautiful in a sense, then they're a force against the evil.  If they're rage-driven idiots, they're homicidal.

And now, you take the factor of homicidal tendencies, which is inherent in mathematics, a life based on mathematics, intrinsically homicidal, and therefore, if you introduce that cultural change, in which people participate in things which are really truly human, then they will not be inhuman.

BEETS:  Right, because they don't want to violate the sense of humanity that you've sparked in them.  It's now something precious.

LAROUCHE:  Yeah.  Like we got with these people doing the rehearsals with us, in Manhattan.  Once they get organized as a unified force, or trying to become a unified force, then that becomes something that's delightful to them.  And that's what you want. As opposed to Satan.  [Sare laughs]  No, I mean, in Germany, —

SARE:  Schellnhuber?

LAROUCHE:  No, real Satanic stuff!  And that was the marker —

SARE:  Bertrand Russell and Hilbert.

LAROUCHE:  Yeah.  But you should see these guys — I've seen them —  Wagnerians.

SARE:  Yeah, I was thinking of that! [laughter]

LAROUCHE:  Wagner, oh my God!  Wagner is actually the essence of Satan, actually.  You should see these guys!  They come in, dark clothes, dressed like this, ominous creatures.

SARE:  And everything is the senses.  It's all sensual. It's what you feel, how does it sound, how do you — it has nothing to do with mind.

LAROUCHE:  Yes, this is a famous chorus, duet, in one of the most famous of those performances.  And over and over again... until there was not a dry seat in the house! [laughter]  And that's Satanic!

ROSS:  If the audience is educated, there'd only be empty seats left in the house!

LAROUCHE:  No, I went to see these seats, in the opera house.  It's unbelievable — the piano, my God!  The pianos are gigantic monsters!  No, they are, they fill up the whole area. And looking at all these pianos, they're giants... but they're not much in terms of quality of performance.  They're just thunder-busts.

And so that's the answer in general.  If mankind understands,  — get rid of mathematics.  Just get rid of it! It's a poison, it's disgusting.

What you have to do, is go into the things which reach — well, look, we're taking this case; now we have this case that just came up and hit us, Pluto.  And this confronts you, exactly with that this problem is.  That's good!

SARE:  Yeah, and needed.

LAROUCHE:  But that's the point:  We're in a period now where actually, the destruction of mankind is self-imposed by mankind,  now, and we have to reverse that.  You have to oppose what's evil.  But most important, you must provide what is necessary for mankind, as mankind's moral purpose in life.

Bill ROBERTS:  Well, I think that's why we've got to get young people off of video games and into — I think you were describing over the course of this weekend, Lyn, you were describing the economic process that we have to unleash is increasing the productivity of our population, but that that's really a question of the mental capability of — you think of a young person being brought into skilled work, and they actually see themselves as an active participant in shaping a process of humanity's survival.

Similarly, you referred to Glass-Steagall not as an "event" or a gimmick, but you said the key about Glass-Steagall was Franklin Roosevelt's forecasting, which I think got to this question of what's been central to your entire forecasting career: which is that you reach a branching point.  It's not a question of an event as a succession of events.  But mankind reaches a branching point, which you have to ditch mathematics and deal with the physical reality which part of that physical reality is willful human intervention.

And I thought it was pretty funny that the New York Times did an article on China and how they say, China's become economically powerful, but look at where they're investing! They're investing in all the most risky economies!  Like Iraq, and Afghanistan, and North Korea.  And, they're either lying or they're morally incapable of realizing that what China's doing is they're making a forecast which means they're actively producing a new condition for mankind.  They're producing a new paradigm beyond geopolitics.  So while they can't see that, they can't make that forecast, the New York Times is also obviously incapable of seeing the risk of what we're facing if Obama's not thrown out and we don't restore Glass-Steagall, which is the biggest risk of all, the risk of the annihilation of mankind.  So their idea of risk is a little bit — you can see where the stupidity emanates from.

LAROUCHE:  Oh, I've seen the solution for that, which we've been doing, and has been my intention last October, in Manhattan. If you actually restore, the creative impulses of people in Manhattan, you can radiate from some parts of Manhattan, you can radiate Alexander Hamilton, in one event.  And that's the answer, that's my answer: that Alexander Hamilton set the standard for the practice of science in social processes, which is necessary to realize the intention of the founding of the United States.

But it has to be done from Manhattan, otherwise it doesn't work. Because when you look at the Southern states, now that was the third and fourth Presidents of the United States, were evil bastards; and some others as well.  And that's what destroyed things.  It was that force, that third case, Jefferson, that was the thing that caused slave system; the slavery system was organized by the third President in succession of the United States.

And that's what we have in the Southern states.  The Southern states is still the seeds of degeneration, moral and every other way, degeneration.  And that's still going on.

So therefore, again, you have to go to what is the kind of thing which is not degeneration?  What is it that makes mankind truly human?  And to recognize that humanity is perfect.  That is, that humanity has no limit.  All animal species die, as species, all!  Even the bugs die, they may be one of the first to go (we hope).  [laughter] But that's the issue.  Is to understand exactly what that means, and we just don't do that, now.  And that's what Bertrand Russell did.  Bertrand Russell was the incarnate Satan of the modern civilization.

And that's what the problem is.  If we don't act for the positive interests of mankind, if we don't generate creativity, true human creativity, then we're in danger of loss of existence. It's an opportunity, but you have to get out there and tell people, if you don't do something about this, if you try to be "practical,"  you're going to be dead.  You better change your ways, and be creative!  Truly creative, by introducing factors which mankind had never known before.  Scientific factors, creative scientific factors.

And also artistic things, in the relationship between the physical science and the artistic conceptions.  Often there's confusion about that, but they're the same thing.  Inspiration; the inspiration.  And the motive comes out of the inspiration.

ROSS:  Because what mathematics does is it takes us, it takes the human mind out of the universe, and says, you're not really part of that; you can't really understand it.  You might have mathematical formulations that describe things that occur, but as far as why anything really occurs, it has nothing in common with the way your mind works, nothing in common with you.

And it creates the impression that you also can't be, yourself a cause to make anything happen.

LAROUCHE:  You have to understand that the Galactic Principle is a human factor.  Why?  Because that's what it is. The universe is organized, isn't it?  And organized to be what — more creative?  Is it not that?  Do we not find that when we discover the Galactic System, that we understand a concept, a concept which mankind, having discovered that concept, can now practice it!

And so, mankind is not a creature inside the universe; mankind, and only mankind, is a creative force, throughout the universe, because the principle is the same one.  But that's something that has to be reached.  Maybe only a limited number of people will in the short term, be able to understand that.  But that should be no reason why we shouldn't do that.  If you're going to make a cake, make a good one!

ROGERS:  That's what Leibniz identifies as the true source of happiness in society, and I think that's what — people participate in that beauty of discovery, whether it's in Classical artistic composition, or the sciences in a real way, that that's what their understanding of what true wealth in society is, as Hamilton understands, becomes elevated to a whole new level.  Because this choral principle that you're bringing out is really fascinating,  because a lot of people don't know what it means to be happy.  What it means for society to be happy.

And so that's what's really being expressed when they participate in something like this, because their conception of wealth really changes to a superb level of understanding.

LAROUCHE:  Yeah.  And what most of these standards, like Wall Street standards, are intrinsically — by that standard, — Satanic. Wall Street is a Satanic institution:  It's a destructive force.  It is not a creative force, it's a deductive force, and reductive force.

And we've got — you know, the problem is there's been a neglect for these considerations, even though they've been known for history, recurrently, on one time or another.  Nicholas of Cusa, for example, is an example of precisely this thing.  And also we've had some great figures in history, who have represented the same thing.  And that's what the beauty in human life is, is the creative force where mankind is not only within the universe, but mankind represents the forces of progress, in the universe, itself.  Like the Galactic System:  Do we not understand that we have a grip on the Galactic System, as we had on the Solar System, with Kepler? Kepler defined something, right?  Now we know what it is, at least in a more attractive way.  But we also know the same thing applies to what has to happen now.

So therefore, we understand, we're not bugs.  Most Wall Street types are bugs!  And they can't be swatted hard enough. But the point is, that mankind is an integral part of the universe.  It's implicit in the whole process.  Look at what we're doing, just the discoveries we were working on this weekend, same thing. We didn't get the right answers yet, but we got an image of what the problem might be.

And this is what the whole thing has to be.  It has to be an understanding, of what used to be called humanism.  The responsibility of the human being, to advance mankind, and you know, understanding the Galactic System, that's not a scheme, that's a necessity. Because that necessity means it's going to lead you to something else which is on a higher level.  And mankind is going to understand that, by development.  And you will find that mankind is yet closer and closer to the Master of the Universe.

SARE:  Well, I'd definitely like the opportunity to get there: So we've better get Obama out of office, quickly.

LAROUCHE:  We'll get him out of the orifice.  [laughter]

SARE:  That too!

Is there anything else?

Rachel BRINKLEY:  I'll just say, the Republican Party often looks like a bunch of bugs crawling over each other.

LAROUCHE: [guffaws]  A nice note! An appropriate note for the occasion.

SARE:  And their candidates are about an army of insects.

All right, well, that's quite a picture you've given us.  So I hope we will all see you next week.

LAROUCHE:  [laughs]  Elementary!